They just don't know how to think

[lynxreign]

This morning on NPR there was a story about San Francisco. SF is a "sanctuary city". In other words, they don't automatically send every illegal they come across to the Feds for deportation. There was a protest and counter-protest there yesterday, described in the story teaser as a "clash", despite the protest being peaceful, though loud.

On the one side you had hundreds of people from immigrant's rights groups, on the other you had a dozen "Minutemen". You know about the "Minutemen", the idiots who have taken it upon themselves to "patrol" the border with Mexico.

The underlying cause for this appearance by the Asshats, sorry, the Minutemen, was a crime committed by an illegal immigrant. The immigrant in question is a minor who had already been arrested several times for violent crimes. The then committed a triple murder in a drive-by, using an AK-47. Horrible? Yes. Worthy of prison and/or deportation? Sure. However the underlying cause of this crime was not that he was an immigrant or an illegal immigrant.

It isn't as though no American citizen (of any race you care to choose) has ever committed murder. Surely no legal citizen has ever joined a gang or killed someone with a gun or performed a drive-by. I mean, if it weren't for the illegals, there'd be no gun violence or crime in the USA at all!

Using this crime as a prop for their xenophobic, racist crusade makes about as much sense as blaming the British for shipwrecks. It is a complete disconnect, but since so much of this country is completely irrational, they make the connection and get people to agree with them.

Comments

[lynxreign.livejournal.com]

You can say "It's illegal" all you want.

The point is that if the person is/was an illegal alien there are ways it could have been handled that would have not resulted in the murders.

Sure and if we had better gun control laws or combatted gangs more effectively or had gotten this kid a job or put all brown people into camps or thrown the kid into jail for life on his first offense then the murders wouldn't have happened either.

In what way could you have handled this? Would you have deported a minor? Perhaps to a country he hasn't been to since he was an infant?

Would you have deported a minor

[chaoticmoth.livejournal.com]

Where are the minor's parents? If they are outside the country, that's where he goes. If they are inside the country illegally, they all go. If the parents are here legally but brought him here illegally then their visa status may be at risk and they may end up going ( I am not familiar enough with the rules, but I am guessing their status could be revoked).

Bottom line, there are legal processes to go through for proper entry into the US and to remain here. Difficult? Yes. Nearly impossible for some? Yes. But my expectation is that just as I should follow the laws of another country to gain entry, so should people entering the US follow our laws. Break the law, face the consequences.

Re: Would you have deported a minor

[lynxreign.livejournal.com]

If they are inside the country illegally, they all go

Yeah? How are you going to find them?

Bottom line, there are legal processes to go through for proper entry into the US and to remain here

Sure, the wait time is only what, 10 years? And if you have no skills?

And since the immegration policy focuses on skilled laborers, what happens to the companies that are relying on them?

Re: Would you have deported a minor

[chaoticmoth.livejournal.com]

If there simple answers and solutions this would not be a polarizing national debate. :)

[lynxreign.livejournal.com]

I'm glad to see you admit that it isn't as simple as "But they're illegal".

I'm glad to see you admit that it isn't as simple as "But they're illegal".

[chaoticmoth.livejournal.com]

Oh, that's my simple answer, it just doesn't come with a simple solution. You can have a simple answer such as mine, such as "deport them all", such as "grant them all amnesty", etc..... :)

[lynxreign.livejournal.com]

That's not an answer, that's a sound bite.

That's not an answer, that's a sound bite.

[chaoticmoth.livejournal.com]

Hey, if it works for the people who get themselves elected.... :)

[lynxreign.livejournal.com]

Ask yourself, do you really want to be associated with those people?

[chaoticmoth.livejournal.com]

But they make the laws!

[maps-or-guitars.livejournal.com]

Only because we let them, which should be a source of enduring shame.

[lynxreign.livejournal.com]

So you want to be like them, but without their one redeeming feature?

[chaoticmoth.livejournal.com]

If I wanted to be involved in changing laws I would want to be associated with the people with the power to do so.

I am your typical lazy american though, so don't want to be involved with changing the laws, I just want them all to magically be in my favor and fit my views. :)